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Ss a Buckeye fan we had to deal with Monte Ball for way to long. The Kid is a monster, and is severely underrated in this NFL draft. He has all the tools to be a very productive back in the league. He has the best vision of any running back in this year's class.He has decent speed (so did Emmit Smith), good a pass block and pass catching what gives? Am i missing something here? You guys are more familiar with him than myself. I think he will be the best back out of this year's draft class.
His main problem will be the concussions and than also the fact he is not a home run hitter. Has the potential to be a great #2 rb for multiple years but not worth a high draft pick.
broblake...nfl teams don't care about any of that. Ball's problem is that he has too much mileage on him. there are very good backs available in the later rounds that can put out 2-3 years in a multiple-back system. RBs simply aren't worth that much unless you're AP.
I don't put a lot of fairth in the "scouts". Russell Wilson was undervalued too. Also, the NFL has become a passing league with only a few teams truly trying to run the ball.
Wilson was a unique scenario. Scouts loved him. GMs loved him. KC's new GM Dorsey (then with Packers) called it the most impressive combine interview he's ever done in his 25 years. The Eagles would have taken him instead of Foles and I've read GB was looking at trading up to get him as well before Seattle took him. The scouts liked him very much.
The issue with Wilson is that the height thing scared teams off a bit, that's all. Another inch taller and he'd have been a Top 15 pick probably.
I think for Ball, teams are scared off by the concussion thing--all you have to do is look at Jahvid Best and see the downside of spending a high pick on a guy w/ that type of history. The speed, workload and 'wisconsin system' issue also impact him--those are enough to drop him a round or so when you roll it all up.
I think he'll go in the 3rd Round, which is pretty good all things considered. Also, keep in mind: NOT having massive expectations as a 1st/2nd rounder isn't a bad thing either. You'll get your money if you do well regardless.
I HIGHLY doubt one inch would've shifted his draft stock that much. The truth is NFL scouts were too stupid to realize that he played behind a line that would've been one of the biggest in the NFL. Scouts screw up all the time. Just like coaches screw up in recruiting.
He reminds me of ingram, that didn't turn out so well so that might have hurt him a bit
Drew Brees measured 6000 in the combine. If Russell hit that he'd have been a first rounder.
Its because he doesn't have crazy physical measurables. Ball doesn't have sub 4.3 speed nor is he some 240 lb muscle freak like Adrian Peterson.
That said, the guy has some of the best vision I've ever seen and probably has some of the crispest cutting ability I've ever seen. Unlike the speed demons or the fat mama-jamas, I think Ball is tailor-made for the NFL. Teams love RBs that make one of two cuts and go. Ball runs like an NFL RB. He will take the 3 yd gain instead of constantly trying to bounce it, which rarely works.
A lot depends on the combine. If he puts up a solid 40 time; aka 4.45-4.50, I bet he is a second rounder. If he puts up a sub 4.45 I bet he could go in the low part of the 1st Round.
My bet is he goes to Atlanta or Green Bay in the 2nd Round, or possibly Pittsburgh. Ball can do a lot for his stock with Eddie Lacy hurt. Outperform the other supposed top RBs, Bernard & others, and Ball will be set up well to be the 1st RB taken.
That's a good summary 99. I have read somewhere in one scouting report that Ball 'gathers his feet' when he cuts--the gist of it being that he doesn't make his cuts as fast as some other guys but agree, his vision is very very good.
This is nothing more than two things.
1) they are burnt out on Badger RB's being a product of the system and applying that to Ball. I think this is foolish, but admittedly can see why.
2) he has changed his body so much over his career that i don't think anyone gets a real concensus of who he is. In reality when the interview him and then really break down his film they will see what is there.
Bottom line is he is not an elite back out of the gates. given the right situation i think he could really excell , but at the same time the wrong situation could really hurt him. Like Dayne in NY. All in all he can do some good things no matter where he goes. Kids who are willing to work like Monte have a higher ceiling. In terms of #1 above he has the best skill set of any back we have put in the draft. When they break it down they will see that.
BTW I really like the Emmit Smith comparison. Taken 17th after running a 4.7 40 at the combine. Ball has had a better college career and will run faster than a 4.7 yet a very similar game. If Ball doesn't end up in the first 2 rounds I think it has more to do with how the game has changed than anything.
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