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I usually don’t post and mainly lurk around the message board. I love reading everyone’s opinions and I think this board has a great mixture of personalities.
Let me start by saying I’m an avid Badger fan. No matter the circumstances, I’ll support Wisconsin athletics (attending games, Mendota GridIron Club, etc). I’m a season ticket holder for football and my family attends a number of basketball games each season. I love the Badgers.
I understand the success that Bret Bielema and Bo Ryan have had at Wisconsin. I know about their winning percentages. I understand their success at home. I know about all the post-season appearances in football and basketball.
Now my question: Does anyone else feel as though the athletic programs have become stale and stagnant?
As fans, we’ve had a little taste of success. Back-to-back Rose Bowls, countless NCAA tournament appearances ---- but we’ve still been unable to win the so called “big game.”
We can’t get over the hump.
Again, we’ve seen success, but shouldn’t a national championship be the ultimate goal of our university? Will we ever see a NC with Bielema and Ryan at the helm?
Personally, I say, no. Neither coach has what it takes to put together a national championship caliber team.
Ryan- Great coach but is stubborn to change. Stuck in his ways. Lacks elite talent because of his style of play.
Bielema- Known as a good recruiter, but lacks game management and basic in-game coaching skills. Again, reluctant to change—smash mouth football only.
Am I wrong in assuming that Wisconsin should be competing for national championships and not just division titles (football) and third places finishes (hoops)?
Either way, I’ll be supporting UW until the day I die.
UW refuses to spend the money for the best coaching. Bielma is one of the lowest paid HC's in the BIG.
Here's to hoping Alvarez comes back.
Alabama has money and hires Nusseier as offensive coordinator. Wisconsin makes a pitch for Nussmeier and hires Canada for $350,000 per year less. Clemson, a lesser program, pays its offensive coordinator $1 million per year. Bielema's margin for error is smaller than the elite schools because he can't pay his coaching staff the going market rate. Proven talent commands money and Wisconsin won't pay.
The last 5 years of Alvarez were the definition of stagnant.
UW is never going to be a perennial NC contender in football, there are to many inherit disadvantages that contribute to that fact. They can how ever load up for a every 4 year run like they did with Wilson.
UW will pay its coaches, the reason Canada came cheap was because he was a MAC coach and they could get away with paying him that. Remember, UW was turned down by a 4-5 other guys before settling on Canada, mainly due to UW insisting on running a West Coast offense. The ironic thing is that Canada is bringing more spread to UW then it was looking for.
Clemson is not a lesser program.
Except Bielema claims that he didn't offer anybody but Canada. We only know that they were supposedly waiting on Nussmeier. We don't know what budget Bielema was given. Just because Chryst made $400k+ doesn't mean Bielema could hire another coordinator at that level. I tend to think he picked the guy that fit the pay range and not the best candidate.
First jtown, you should post more. The more people, the more posts which make the site better. Now getting to post, I think in basketball, once you get to the sweet 16 , anything can happen. Butler and VCU in the past years have showed that. Even the Badger team with Bennett showed getting hot at the right time, anything can happen.
Now with football, I think that will be more difficult. The best chance UW will have is when they have OSU at home. Winning the Big 10 when OSU and Michigan and Neb. with good programs will help the Big 10 image. I think it will take just a year that everything goes your way to win a Nat Champ.
Alot of times winning a Conference gets lost. Winning a conference, you have to be good, the whole season, and times people forget how good the season was because they lost the last game.
I really did not follow the coaching changes/interview process much, but with the lack of true "pro style" offenses in college, would have been nice to branch out to some NFL teams. Anybody know if they looked that way last year? Granted that would have cost more, but it would be light years better than having unqualified folks trying to adapt.
There is a difference between formally offering a job, which they did to Canada and asking someone if they will take the job. I know they offered at least 3 people the job and were turned down.
As for salaries, what their listed salary and what they are paid are two vastly different things.
Were the 3 people asked realistic options or did they go after people with ties like Bevell who'd be taking a clear step down?
I do agree it's stagnant, and a problem with that is you get a lot of people such as my Dad who give me the " You are so lucky, back in my day, we had to suffer through 1 win seasons and STILL filled up the student section faster than blah blah blah". It's better than it's ever been, but we need to take another step forward and dishing the cash for elite talent is a good route to start.
If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting
I know he's an NFL guy, but I think Darrell Bevell would be a great fit (head coach) for Wisconsin down the road should something ever happen with Bret Bielema.
I don't see Bielema leaving anytime soon. My gut feeling is that he'll be a lifer.
Ryan IS making changes in the players he is recruiting and this year is playing more aggressive offensively. In the business of coaching you play with the talent you have. Ryan has done more with less then most coaches in the country. Bo has demonstrated an ability to recognize potential talent earlier then most. Unfortunately many of those kids elect to go to the elite schools once they receive an offer. If you don't have the talent to play up tempo you won't win trying to play that way. The state of Wisconsin has and is producing more talent the last few years. Sam Dekker, Bronson Koening, Vander Blue, Matt Thomas, and a number of other young kids. UW has gotten Dekker and Koening and working on others. Will this make a difference, only time will tell.
In Basketball there are small number of schools that can attract the top players, Duke, NC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn and a few others. In the last 48 years, 22 different schools have won an NCAA basketball championship. I would bet one of those 22 will win it again this year.
Bielema has followed a legend in Alvarez and outside of not winning a Rose Bowl is performing at or above the level Alvarez performed at. Only one other coach in the history of UW football has more consecutive winning seasons. That was Phil King from 1896-1902. You may not like him or his offense but he has been successful.
The primary factor in success of a football and basketball program is recruiting. In football most top recruits commit to a school within 400 miles of home. This is a distinct disadvantage for UW. UW still is one of the best schools in the country in attracting athletes from outside that 400 mile radius. There are only about 20 - 25 top QB's produced each year. Only a handful of these recruits are within 400 miles of UW. UW has a pretty good record recruiting QB's. Unfortunately there has been a rash of injuries to those QB's. This years recruiting class could be one of the best UW has had. As in basketball a handful of schools dominate the chase for a football national championship. The prime recruiting ground for football are the states within and around the SEC. Take a look at their rosters. There are only a few schools that have rosters of players from outside the 400 mile radius, one is Notre Dame.
There are many reasons that UW has not won National championships in Football and Basketball but I doubt it is the Coaches. We have been spoiled with the success we have had with Alvarez, Ryan, and Bielema. Minnesota wasn't happy with Glen Mason for many reasons and got rid of him, even though he was consistently winning and being competitive and going to bowl games. How did that work out for them.
If you want to change coaches you better have one already signed sealed and delivered that you KNOW will do a better job before you make a change.
I also would like to see a National Championship in Football and/or Basketball. But I also enjoy being competitive and winning.
If J.J. Watt would have stayed for his Senior year would UW have had a chance of playing in the MNC game in 2011? I would say an emphatic YES. Was that the coaches fault?
If Devin Harris would have stayed for his Senior season, 2005, would the basketball program had a better chance of making it to the NCAA finals. Well UW lost to NC in the elite 8 that year when NC went on to win the National Championship. Would Harris have made a difference, well we will never know but I think he would have. Was it BO's fault Harris left early?
UW doesn't have the recruiting base in the state to compete on a regular basis for National Championships. We have had opportunities. But I doubt there is any coach in America that UW could convince to take either job that could guarantee a National Championship.
I have the same feeling about him being a lifer. I am not sure how I feel about it. As long as the Badgers are competitive, Alvarez will not fire him. I think if BB leaves its because he moves on. Do you think BB would leave to Iowa if Farentz is let go? I think Bevell would be a great choice.
One down year does not a trend make. Give next year and maybe the next to conclude stagnancy. I'm actually more concerned about the non-income sports at UW - that was a strength several years ago but now Volleyball, Women's Hockey, etc are having down seasons and V-ball especially needs some changes. Women's B-ball, too early to conclude. Seems like Mens Cross country has been the one to maintain high level of performance.
Remember, these things are cyclical and many programs in a variety of sports across the B1g are getting better.
I think UW can compete in national championships in both sports, just not as often.
In football, i would say once every 4-5 years UW SHOULD have a team to compete for something better than a B1G championship and Rose Bowl.
In basketball, i'm not sure how often. BUT the talent level in the state of WI has gotten dramatically better in the last ten years. The talent issue in the state is not the problem. It's getting the in-state kids to come to UW.
Basketball is much different than football, less players to recruit, less difference in money spent, etc,etc. IMO, UW basketball should be better/more successful overall than football. They have more in-state talent and a better chance to compete.
Bo and BB are good coaches and people will always have something to complain about. People, rightfully so imo, complain about BB's in game decisions and his W-L in close games. People, rightfully so imo, complain about Bo's lack of deep runs in the tournament.
Count me as someone who would like to see us shell out more money to attract a higher quality of assistant coaches for the football program. More often than not in this world you get what you pay for in my opinion.
This post was edited by OakParkBadger87 17 months ago
We don't need donations. We''ve got plenty of money to spend. We just don't spend it.
Oak Park, I believe in paying more and football is the driver, but as soon as you pay more for football, I would guess basketball will be knocking at the door for more also.
Most of the B1G is poor in this area. The conference needs to pony up for its coordinators and assistant coaches.
I think this year has been a rebuilding year, to be completely honest. 50 freshmen, 9 seniors and a coaching turnover not normally seen in just one offseason. With all this, we lose 3 games in OT and 2 games by three point on the road to top 25 teams. Frustrating, hell yes. Stagnant, don't think so. I just think it's a down year. Everyone apart from Alabama with Nick Saban has them.
Agree, which is exactly where we have been (1 or 2 losses 3x since 2006), and we're recruiting now better than ever.
Our issue is that, due to the fact we don't over-recruit annually, we can't just reload, which means we have down years, which means our pre-season rankings are too low to get us up right away. We'll get there......
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